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Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue

by badmalthus

there is no mind
there is no form
there is no emptiness
&
the self is a suffering
illusion
hidden behind
this thing called
enlightenment
but the old man’s staff
will still beat
the shit
from your sorry ass

so burn all the sutras
cease your meditation
&
stop choking
on your crazy koans
just open your
bodhisattva eyes
&
see the truth
beneath your feet





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Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
by FuchsiaFestival! on Saturday, December 24, 2011 (01:41:03)
Great, powerful story to tell: nothing is worse than the magnification of those who fall beneath wisdom -- they never fully realize what there is to know, and never fully understand the concepts of transcendental enlightenment. I don't believe transcendental wisdom is the highest extension of a god; I think it is an understanding and grasping of the world outside our consciousness.

I will, however, have to read about bodhisattiva, because it is something I am not too familiar with. To be honest, my knowledge of "Rinzai" is very limited, but I will be doing more research to find out what it really is outside of the transcendental aspect.

I noticed the subtle, but noticeable changes on your page, Harry, by the way. I was wondering more about Zen; I was wondering if you would write a poem, and...tada!

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    Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
    by FuchsiaFestival! on Saturday, December 24, 2011 (01:46:48)
    But I get a feeling of darkness: the feeling it is a messed up realm of thought, about the whole koans.

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      Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
      by badmalthus on Saturday, December 24, 2011 (02:10:52)
      Hi Sammi...Voila! Thank you for commenting on my poem...I was reading a book comparing Nietzsche's Ubermensch to Buddhism's Bodhisattava in my studies and suddenly realised why Fred went mad and the old Chinese and Japanese Zen masters were just hilariously crazy. I gave up my Zen practice ten years ago...stopped meditating...I suddenly found myself stuck in the realm of samsara and I didn't like it...I'm feeling good today.
      I have never used koans as I was of the Soto school in those days...now I have taken to the Rinzai practice and the use of koans...I love it.
      Many thanks Sammi.
      Cheers...Harry

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        Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
        by FuchsiaFestival! on Saturday, December 24, 2011 (02:15:45)
        Personally, I don't see how a paradoxical riddle can bring people "transcendental enlightenment," to be honest. I had a feeling you disliked this whole theme, but I wanted to make sure.

        If I became "transcendentally enlightened" by a paradox, I'd be hellishly satisfied with non-answers. Laughing

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          Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
          by badmalthus on Sunday, December 25, 2011 (20:32:02)
          Laughing A paradox is a truth standing on it's head looking for attention.
          Cheers Sammi...Harry

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            Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
            by FuchsiaFestival! on Monday, December 26, 2011 (21:04:28)
            I disagree. That's just me, though.

            I think a paradox is perception, and not a way to "gain attention."

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              Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
              by badmalthus on Monday, December 26, 2011 (22:23:33)
              I think you are right Sammi...I just think that most people ignore perception...luckily Newton didn't ignore that apple...otherwise we wouldn't know about gravity...haha.

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Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
by deepali on Saturday, December 24, 2011 (04:19:24)
Very deep, Zen Master! Smile
Does this mean, if we think too much or have doubts, we obstruct our own vision? To swim smoothly in the river of life.
thought provoking...indeed!!
warm wishes,
D.

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    Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
    by badmalthus on Sunday, December 25, 2011 (20:39:41)
    I think we use words to describe a reality that is beyond description...that's not a problem in itself...we write poetry...but if we build a border around it then everything becomes like a chunk of dogmatic concrete and love/hate...good/evil...become attachments and we find ourselves drowning in our own concepts.
    Many many thanks Deepali.
    Cheers...Harry

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Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
by anna9 on Saturday, December 24, 2011 (09:54:14)
ouch this truth hurts badmal, cheers, though it hurts, this too shall pass, maybe....?????????

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    Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
    by badmalthus on Sunday, December 25, 2011 (20:41:13)
    Haha...all things do pass I think Anna...even the half hour in the dentist chair.
    Thank you my friend.
    Cheers...Harry

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Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
by rondo on Saturday, December 24, 2011 (11:24:13)
A great chew this mental morsel here Badai....you are definatly on your game....loved the triumph of reality....contrasting the fictitious world we live....peace

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    Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
    by badmalthus on Sunday, December 25, 2011 (20:42:09)
    G'day Ronald...a big thanks my friend.
    Cheers...Harry

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Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
by maryanns on Saturday, December 24, 2011 (15:53:49)
Only kensho knows where forest dwellers sleep, deep beneath the snow on mountaintops forever growing. Lift those Bodhisattva lashes; laugh until you cry. Truth begets peace, Cheers, Mary Ann

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    Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
    by badmalthus on Sunday, December 25, 2011 (20:45:05)
    Hullo Mary Ann...we forget that true freedom is to feel happy...to feel sad...to feel love. Thank you my dear friend.
    Cheers...Harry

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Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
by omegapaf on Sunday, December 25, 2011 (12:39:19)
" i knew a girl that got so good at meditating, everybody thought she was dead " - woody allen.

but what do you do after your enlightened? i just sort of retreated in to nature and the natural world......however that sort of thing doesn't go down very well with the council when they want their money ha ha.

" let me look in to a human eye. for there is more there than in earth or sky " - ahab - moby dick.

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    Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
    by badmalthus on Sunday, December 25, 2011 (20:47:54)
    Haha...you have to love Woody...and Graucho of course. I don't know what I would upon enlightenment...keep sweeping and rest for a cold bloody beer when tired. Thanks Paul...you council rebel.
    Cheers...Harry

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Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
by butterflyzrfree on Sunday, December 25, 2011 (17:56:26)
hahaha! I believe that this is the master of all of your masterpieces!!!! I never had so much fun or satisfaction reading a poem in my life!!!And yes, I get it, O wise one ... signed, the Novice

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    Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
    by badmalthus on Sunday, December 25, 2011 (20:49:48)
    Old Rinzai gave me a beating the other day so I wrote this...haha...I am glad you enjoyed reading it Gail...a million big thanks.
    Cheers...Harry

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Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
by Ozymandias on Monday, December 26, 2011 (03:25:34)
A mix of Zen and the Heart Sutra, is it not? It's certainly in the spirit of both. The usual first-class writing from you, Harry!

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    Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
    by badmalthus on Monday, December 26, 2011 (21:01:04)
    Yes the Prajna Parramitta Sutra Rory. Many many thanks my friend.
    Cheers...Harry

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Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
by marek on Monday, December 26, 2011 (10:00:58)
Well said, as always Harry, I often wish that all would take a good hard look in a mirror and come to the realisation that,that's all there is, just you, now work with it. Cheers and sneezy greetings and all that crap, Mark.

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    Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
    by badmalthus on Monday, December 26, 2011 (21:02:03)
    Haha...that would be too easy hey Mark. A big thanks my friend.
    Cheers...Harry

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Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
by Phoebe on Monday, December 26, 2011 (21:16:20)
Just beautiful Harry...and where we stand connects us to our respective truths - in our culture we have a word "turangawaewae" meaning the place where my feet stand - it is about who we are and where we belong..Smile-Phoebe

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    Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
    by badmalthus on Monday, December 26, 2011 (22:17:43)
    Hullo my New Zealand friend. That is a beautiful word indeed...I'm trying to walk around barefoot a little more now...which isn't hard in the summer here in Australia if you can get away from the bitumen...haha. Thank you very much for your wonderful comment Phoebe.
    Cheers...Harry

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    Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
    by omegapaf on Tuesday, December 27, 2011 (13:27:11)
    what an excellent word little kiwi.

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Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
by dav.smith on Monday, January 02, 2012 (01:13:12)
If one travels with open eyes, one sees what others miss..., like your style of education Harry. Honest in a brutal sense. Regards of the highest, dAVE

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    Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
    by badmalthus on Monday, January 02, 2012 (01:51:21)
    Many many thanks dAVE...keep well mate.
    Cheers...Harry

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Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
by K13739 on Saturday, January 07, 2012 (17:25:41)
It's the grey shades we need to look at more closely. Wonderfully written, Harry. Thank you.

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    Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
    by badmalthus on Sunday, January 15, 2012 (22:48:03)
    No...thank you for the wonderful words Paula.
    Peace & Laughter...Harry

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Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
by starstruck13 on Friday, January 13, 2012 (06:51:13)
a awesome poem made me want to jump up and shout

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    Re: Twelve lashes from old Rinzai's tongue (Score: 1 )
    by badmalthus on Sunday, January 15, 2012 (22:48:44)
    Thank you so very much S.
    Peace & Laughter...Harry

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