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great write millie - communism, fascism, corporatism - all the same shit. take care.

Re: I don't subscribe to your point of view (Score: 1 ) by radical_love on Tuesday, November 03, 2009 (22:58:01)

hmmm thanks conor- i don't think the communist ideology can actually ever be implemented as it should- due to the corruption of authority, no matter how revolutionary the new govenrment may be........but i do like communism as a theory/ideology.....well aspects of it anyway... thanks for checking it out;-)
millie


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Re: I don't subscribe to your point of view (Score: 1 ) by thewholesoul on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 (07:29:49)

i know what you mean, it does sound great on paper. the main reason most people like communism is because it appeals to the fundamental value of - equality. however in practice communism does not work as you pointed out in your poem. in communist cuba, for example, i saw homeless guys rooting through rubbish bins just like in capitalist societies. the problem i have with communism is its restrictions on personal liberties. one cannot endevour to achieve more - to be successful - because we all must have have the same (the working class that is). in my opinion, our goal should be the elimination of poverty and people can be - equal - in respect to their freedom to choose which ever life they deem fit. which is not permitted under communist regimes. anyways, thats my 2 cent

take care
conor


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Re: I don't subscribe to your point of view (Score: 1 ) by radical_love on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 (16:27:38)

yes yes, i agree the elimination of poverty and the attainment of equal rights of all before the law. that is certainly worth working towards. the porblem is neither coomuism or capitalism seems to be working in either regard.......
should anrachy be the way to go??? LOL! just stirring- while making an extrmeley valid point (i feel;-)) i very much enjoyed our 2 cents conor-
millie


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love the BOLDNESS and the word play

Re: I don't subscribe to your point of view (Score: 1 ) by radical_love on Wednesday, November 04, 2009 (16:24:41)

thankyou!!!! thanks for stopping by music..... millie


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Re: I don't subscribe to your point of view (Score: 1 ) by butterflyzrfree on Sunday, November 15, 2009 (07:55:40)

Boldness is Millie's middle name. You don't know her, do you???


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living in the oldest continuous democracy, and capitalist country on earth, i have never seen what was so great about democracy, or capitalism. though it's always good at getting people killed. stalin was just a monster, not a communist, and pol pot was a creation of the vietnam war. i think cuba has been doing very well under the circumstances that it has been under an illegal trade blockade for decades, china is bankrolling the american economy, and russia is supplying western europe with gas. half of south america has now gone communist, and they seem a hell of a lot happier, spending money on the poor, and building schools, and hospitals, than in england where we give all our tax money to people who own castles, and 4 country houses, with their own private river. there is no such thing as a utopian society. someone will always have to clean the sewers out. but much more dignity, and appreciation seems to be metered out to people who do the jobs no one else wants to do in communist country's than in capitalist country's where people who do the actual everyday work are ignored - nice one milodious - paul.

Re: I don't subscribe to your point of view (Score: 1 ) by radical_love on Saturday, November 14, 2009 (19:57:03)

hmmm you made some very interesting points paul......
i think democracy can work- but it involves every person being politically active and aware- only then (i feel) will society move towards true democracy- the thing with all thses ideologies/democracy/capialism/communism waht have you, all the human examples are flawed- and in fact none evver stay true to their original purpose or doctrine- and that i beleive is the fundamental flaw......
pity britain hasn't got itsefl a progressive tax system yet though- the rich getting richer- thatsnot how thigns are supposed to go!!!!
thanks paul- for lending your insightful perspective to the discussion;-)))


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Well communisms major problem was never, ever dealt with idealogically. The dictatorship of the proletariat. How to get past that. Nobody ever seemed to know, and probably never will. Major problem there, and happened again and again but no one seemed to catch on until it was too late. 'Spose all who came up with a better idea were immediately quashed. That is how it is,. Now we are done with that? Except in Africa...Great write!

Re: I don't subscribe to your point of view (Score: 1 ) by radical_love on Saturday, November 14, 2009 (20:00:06)

the dictatorship of the prole.....hmmm yes, i suppose that is one problem of communism- but i personally think that the whole prblem of communism as implemented (not ideologically) is that the people in charcge- no matter who they are, will always be at least a lttle bit corrupt-- and in a country that praci=tices communism- i feel there is often more room- or more of an advatage for these corrupt officials to do damage upon the nation as a whole.....i actually agree with most aspects of communism, except of course the athiesm aspect;-)
thanks so much gail- i really appreciate your comments here......(feel free to rebut anything ive said;-)) millie


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Re: I don't subscribe to your point of view (Score: 1 ) by butterflyzrfree on Saturday, November 14, 2009 (23:09:11)

Your comment is very interesting and AI am goingto think about it. My eyes are closing, so, good night!


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Re: I don't subscribe to your point of view (Score: 1 ) by butterflyzrfree on Saturday, November 14, 2009 (23:13:52)

England is a kingdom and yes, Payl, I know it is symolic, blahblablah, bt it is technically not a demmocarcyy. Where did you get all that stuff about south america? Was it something yuo make up> There are more than twenty countries in s.america, I know wo that do noot have d


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Re: I don't subscribe to your point of view (Score: 1 ) by radical_love on Saturday, November 14, 2009 (23:50:17)

what??? LOLOLOL! gail- i think your getting pretty tired- if you check the comments- you'll see it was paul that mentioned south america- oh unless thats what "Payl" stands for !!! LOLOLOL!!!.
i think he means cuba- im pretty sure he knows that there are lots of countries that mak up south america- being a postie and all;-))) LOLOLOLOL!!!
ciao for now gailmeister- milmeister


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Re: I don't subscribe to your point of view (Score: 1 ) by butterflyzrfree on Sunday, November 15, 2009 (07:57:25)

Please excuse spelling of an exhausted poet typing with two big bandaids.


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Re: I don't subscribe to your point of view (Score: 1 ) by butterflyzrfree on Sunday, November 15, 2009 (07:59:25)

Oh! Cuba, yes, Venuzuela, yes, and Brasil, sort of.


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Re: I don't subscribe to your point of view (Score: 1 ) by omegapaf on Friday, November 20, 2009 (17:12:59)

and bolivia, and one or two others. and some african countries have turned to communism too. as millie says the original ideas, and doctrine are sound, it's human fallibility that usually screws it up. to quote spider man " with great power comes great responsibility ". but when most people achieve great power they don't want the responsibility, and spend their time indulging their own little petty obsessions, building monuments, and palaces for themselves, and giving all the top jobs to their family and friends. the only way that communism could work the way marx, and lenin intended is to have a totally selfless man/woman in charge who only cared about others well being. you'll like this millie, because the best choice i can think of as a communist leader is jesus - red paul.


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